Morning Huddle – Kansas City Chiefs negotiating ‘record-setting’ deal for Tyreek Hill

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Giants reporter: Landon Collins could be a Chiefs ‘prime target’ | 247 Sports

“The Chiefs will need to get creative if they hope to land Collins,” Lombardo wrote. “However, sense around the league during the NFL Combine is that Collins would be among Kansas City’s prime targets if he reached free agency. After reportedly releasing Justin Houston, the Chiefs would create $14 million in addition cap space this offseason. General manager Brett Veach could essentially swap Houston for Collins and pair him alongside Eric Berry. Familiarity with defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo could also help lead Collins to Kansas City. It is no secret that the Chiefs aim to bolster their defense this offseason, and Collins would push them closer to reaching the Super Bowl.”

Best players available for Chiefs in 2019 NFL free agency | Chiefs Wire

Kareem Jackson CB Texans

The one player who stands out above the rest is Kareem Jackson. He’s been the model of consistency throughout his career. He’s never played in less than 12 games in a single season, and he’s only gone 1-of-9 seasons without recording an interception. Yes, Jackson is on the wrong side of 30, but there is no reason why the Chiefs shouldn’t offer him and incentive-laden contract for a couple of years.

Report: Kansas City Chiefs negotiating ‘record-setting’ deal for Tyreek Hill | KMBC 9

The word “record-setting” has led many observers to believe that Hill – who set a Chiefs’ single-season franchise record for receiving in 2018 with 1,479 yards, catching 87 passes and 13 touchdowns – would become the NFL’s highest-paid receiver. Hill is entering the final year of his rookie contract, and this is the first time the Chiefs and Hill can enter into negations for a new deal.

Decisions loom for Chiefs as first part of offseason ends | KSHB 41

Tough Decisions
LB Dee Ford 
(Cap Savings: $15.4M)
Ford is at a age where the Chiefs likely can’t justify paying an edge rusher that will be 28 this season, with a previous back injury and has lacked sustained success during his career. The former 2014 first round pick has been inconsistent and didn’t reach his full potential until a contract year was on the line. Now is the time for the Chiefs to get a their best return on Ford through a trade. Ford could play the weak side defensive end for the Chiefs scheme this season but his struggles in run defense make him a weakness in the front seven.

Matt House: Football coach or legendary kung fu master? | Chiefs Wire

“They can expect a lot of energy,” cornerback Lonnie Johnson explained. “Expect him to probably punch through a board if the linebackers are not playing well. He’s going to come with a different type of savviness to him.”

Chiefs willing to trade Dee Ford for a 2nd-round pick? | NFL

The Kansas City Chiefs placed the franchise tag on Dee Ford, but that doesn’t mean the pass rusher will remain in K.C. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that the Chiefs are open to trading Ford. Rapoport noted on NFL Network’s Good Morning Football that it might only take a second-round pick to pry the 27-year-old linebacker from K.C.

Recapping the 2019 NFL Combine, From the Standout Performances to the Local Prospects | Chiefs.com

Kansas State: Running back Alex Barnes and offensive tackle Dalton Risner

Barnes put on a show in Indianapolis, beginning on the bench press with 34 reps – the most among running backs. For context, only three players (1 offensive lineman and 2 defensive linemen) tallied more on the bench. Barnes also recorded a 4.10-second 20-yard shuttle (1st among running backs), a 6.95-second 3-cone drill (2nd among running backs), a 38.5-inch vertical jump (3rd among running backs) and a 126.0-inch broad jump (5th among running backs).

KC Chiefs: Should Chiefs draft a wide receiver in 2019 NFL Draft? | KC Kingdom

Conley likely won’t be back with the team next season and Benjamin isn’t a sure thing either. Dieter showed promise near the end of the 2018 season and could be someone the Chiefs use as a fourth string option. Coates and Grayson were just signed a few weeks ago and Kemp has mostly been utilized as a special teams guy.

Justin Houston’s cost outweighs his benefits to the Chiefs | ESPN

Speaks could easily be the one to replace Houston. He was acquired by current general manager Brett Veach, who traded up in the second round last year to get into position to draft Speaks. The Chiefs plan to switch to a 4-3 base defensive system and Veach recently indicated he believed Speaks was better suited to play an end position rather than outside linebacker, which he played as a rookie.

Chiefs could move Ford, Houston, sources say | ESPN

Houston also has been informed that the Chiefs will try to trade him, a source told ESPN, and if no deal is reached he will be released. Houston carries a salary-cap number of $21.1 million for next season; trading or releasing him would save the Chiefs $14 million against the salary cap.

Justin Houston being a likely cap casualty is just another example of the volatility of NFL contracts | The Athletic

This is a rock-and-a-hard-place situation for Kansas City. Houston was very good for the Chiefs in 2018, as our extensive film review revealed, as he adjusted to his advancing age and beat blockers by using power and technique. The problem here isn’t Houston’s play; it’s his contract. Signed after his transcendent 2014 season — he came half a sack shy of the all-time record — the megadeal he signed called for Houston to account for $21.1 million against the cap in 2019. By moving on from him, the Chiefs will save a full $14 million, leaving them room to be more aggressive in free agency.

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I want Weddle on a two year deal. I’d rather avoid the big contract for Collins given the amount of talent available in FA at the safety position.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

NE wins again. LOL

workingmansdead

Always better to move on from them a year too early, not a year too late.

Maslowskis Barber
Maslowskis Barber

Can we realistically pay Pat and Reek, oh and this Chris Jones guy….oh, and we are maybe adding Landon Collins contract.

Pelletman
Pelletman

Yes.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

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ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91

All about the structure. Clearing Houston and, while I may not like it, Berry will clear up enough space. The next big contract after those that I am getting done ASAP is Schwartz. No way am I letting him walk in FA in two years.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Also, dont think enough people are talking about what looks like a super realistic and dare I say, probable scenario that we sign Landon Collins.

1) Veach inquired about him last year
2) the spags connection and the fact that he had his best years under him
3) all the cap space we’re about to open up

Have to think he’s at the top of our FA board. Makes too much sense NOT to happen.

Pelletman
Pelletman

It really does.

Can you imagine if we had Berry and Collins next to each other. My goodness.

APtransplant25
APtransplant25

But what if Berry still goes Day to Day again like last season?

Pelletman
Pelletman

Yes, that would blow.

workingmansdead

Well yeah, they’d sit next to each other on the bench going over plays and stuff. But who will be next to Collins on the field?

Pelletman
Pelletman

I understood the hesitation with Berry last season. It sucked but was justified.

Since he didn’t get off season surgery…he better be on the fucking field (except for a different injury). If it’s because of his damn bone bump again…we definitely need to move on.

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

Only thing stopping it from happening is the glut of alternatives available in FA. There isn’t really a need to spend big to get quality guys. It’s looking like a buyer’s market at the safety position again. We failed to take advantage last year and it cost us big time. Can’t afford to do so this year.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

“It’s looking like a buyers market”

Brett veach: Hold my beer

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

“You’re wrong!”

-gets tackled by Anthony Hitchens

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

I am on board with paying Reek. But if it were the Pats, they’d probably trade him for a first and third rd pick. Do they give out ANY record setting contracts? Methink no.

Just makes you think twice about it.

Maslowskis Barber
Maslowskis Barber

They also have a QB who signs team friendly deals. They could afford to spend big elsewhere, and choose not to.

Pelletman
Pelletman

I wouldn’t give Brady that much credit… he’s the 4th highest paid QB of all time. He’s getting his. Besides, Belichick is far more important.

BigBill
BigBill

NE will still be very dangerous when Brady retires as long as BB is still the boss.

Chickennpickles
Chickennpickles

Yeah, I don’t know. He’s definitely deserving, absolutely. The thought of huge contracts have always made me a little nervous. Now, when we had fuck all behind center, maybe it made more sense. But, I think, when you’re paying huge money for a transcendent talent, like Mahomes, you have to do things differently. And now it can be done. It’s one of the reasons the Pats have been successful for so long. If you sell high, you can usually replace that production (or WAR). People get too attached to certain players. Whenever I feel that way, I look at how the Giants & their fan base are about Eli. They should’ve moved on from him years ago, but the city & organization just can’t seem to pull the trigger, though I think they might this draft. I don’t think you can let your heart into things, particularly during the off-season.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Agree. Our organization historically gets emotionally attached to its players and its mostly been at our own peril. It starts with Clark Hunt. Not saying it’s always wrong but it seems like we are always the team giving out the record contracts? So do we have all the leagues best players or what?

Every player minus Mahomes is tradeable for the right price. But I’ll admit I’d rather us pay Tyreek, so i know I’m a hypocrite.

Pelletman
Pelletman

You only notice the Chiefs record contracts because you’re a fan of the Chiefs. There are record contracts almost every year throughout the league. I’d be surprised if it’s not multiple positions per year throughout the league.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

I’d like to see a correlation between number of record contracts (or top 3-5) and wins. Think there’s something to be said for Pat’s strategy.

Edit: wins are cheap. Show me a correlation with superbowls!

Pelletman
Pelletman

Honestly, the “Pat’s strategy” is an outlier that shouldn’t be used as any model.

Leaf
Leaf

This here. The likelihood of any team replicating what the Patriots have done the past 20 years is slim to none. They have just had way too many things line up perfectly for them. You just can’t bet on that falling into place for you, which is why every time a patriots west has been attempted it’s been a miserable failure. More likely for the ancient alien guys to be proven right.

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat

I don’t think it is hypocritical. I think Tyreek is arguably the best wide out in the league. There was a question on AP last summer asking if you would trade Hill for Beckham, I voted no and still wouldn’t. Would anyone trade him now?

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

Remember when Bowe was the best WR that had played as a Chief in like 10 years? I do and I don’t mind paying Reek a lot of $$ as long as he deserves it. We will most likely be saving $$ at the RB position.

workingmansdead

Remember how fast Bowe went from pretty good to serviceable to not in the NFL?

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Yeah, bad example.

ta2tony21

He was good as long as he had a QB willing to chuck it up to him blindly. The riskier the QB play the better he performed.

workingmansdead

I remember when he thought he might possibly potentially blow out his ankle but instead decided not to try.

slackator
slackator

remember when DBowe had even a serviceable QB, yeah me neither

ta2tony21

Not even Alex?

Leaf
Leaf

To be fair, I think bowe had checked out by then. Look how well he did in Cleveland after he left here.

ta2tony21

I don’t think anyone’s success can be measured in Cleveland.

Leaf
Leaf

True, if it was in a vacuum. But when you consider his last year with us along with it, it paints a picture of a guy that lost his fire.

chief_curmudgeon
chief_curmudgeon

In regards to cap management:
I know the Pats do things differently, but I remember Peyton always having highly paid guys around him. Maybe some savings on the OL, but position guys got paid.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Thinking about the safety position…Landon Collins is very much in the line of the Veach FA Acquisition Model. Veach tried to trade for Hitchens and Watkins, both rebuffed, before eventually acquiring them in FA. Last year Veach attempted, and failed, to trade for Collins (at least to my understanding). This leads me to believe that it’s Collins and then everyone else at that position. Perhaps Earl Thomas falls into that mold as well, but he has a major injury working against him where Collins does not. This will be interesting.

Stuckinpackland
Stuckinpackland

Earl Thomas fractured his leg, hardly a major injury

backbone313
backbone313

Remember when all the pundits slammed the Chiefs for trading away Smith at the time they did and the way they did… giving Mahomes the key to the franchise before the Superb Owl. Making him the face of the city early, early before the offseason madness. Mahomes owned the locker room from that very moment. It was his and he took and ran with it.

Then you read on what not to with the Arizona Cardinals. The bluff game for the draft is more important then making Rosen the big man on campus. What ever is more important then putting the resources in to your staring QB.

DaveFriedman

I kinda like the “5 Dumb Questions” or whatever it’s called, kinda opens you up to the individual players a bit more. Xavier seems like a fun dude

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Refreshing pages like an addict over here…need…more…information…

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StramtoReid
StramtoReid

I mentioned this a while back, having dead money drives me crazy. I love Sammy Watkins, his contract causes a lot of trouble. Since we paid him 16 million a year. we have to pay Tyreek over 16 million a year, and if we release Watkins next year, we have dead cap space money.

It seems if Veach wants a player, he is willing to overpay or over draft . I don’t want to sign Collins or Tyrerk and have to release them in a couple years because we cant afford their contract.

I love Eric Berry, since he isn’t going to get surgery done, i would release.him after June 1st. Weedle would be a good 1 year contract, Weedle probably wants a multi year contract.

ta2tony21

Weddle is 34 and has considered retirement the last few years. I doubt he expects a long term deal. 1 or 2 years tops and thats perfect IMO

Snafu
Snafu

^ Correct answer.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Yes. I think this approach to the FS is a great one. It allows KC to further test what Watts has to offer (maybe even Murray) and also lets them develop some rookies over the next couple of seasons.

Pelletman
Pelletman

I think the problem is that he’s considered retirement because he’s slow.

ta2tony21

Huh,….

Pelletman
Pelletman

This doesn’t correlate to speed….

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

If effectiveness doesn’t correlate to speed then why worry about it? Weddle has been consistently excellent for years and is in a sweet spot to be very affordable and short term.

ta2tony21

No, but it suggests despite any lack of speed, it hasn’t been a problem on the field.

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

Yes please. Clear out the gtd. money in the first year and that second year of the contract becomes a de facto team option with minimal dead money.

backbone313
backbone313

Hey Brett Veach from the Chiefs on the phone, calling about Ford trade…

“My stud OLD is available for the right price… (we) likely can’t justify paying an edge rusher that will be 28 this season, with a previous back injury and has lacked sustained success during his career. The former 2014 first round pick has been inconsistent and didn’t reach his full potential until a contract year was on the line.”

Veach “I’m only asking for a 2nd round pick. Whatcha think? Do we got a deal?”

workingmansdead

I don’t think I’m a fan of giving Hill a “record setting” deal. These mega contracts can get really bad really quickly.

ta2tony21

I just dont think we have a choice with Hill. Better to do it now when “record setting” is $20mil/ year instead of in 1-2 years when its $25mik

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

We wont have to worry about 2 years from now. After 2020 you’re looking at a CBA stoppage that likely turns ugly. Players will demand WAY more money and higher guarantees. I think IF a new CBA gets done, cap will increase to the 250+ million range and annual increases will jump it to 300 within 10 years. So the pie gets bigger but the pieces do too. 1 or 2 selfish players (I see you behind that bush A Brown, crawl back in your hole Le’veon) will still be able to derail a team.

starry1
starry1

Honestly, I don’t think a new CBA will be structured like the old one at all. The players aren’t going to allow it. They see so many vets losing their jobs due to cap issues and I don’t think they’ll let that happen in the new agreement. We shall see.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

You either show him the money or someone else will. I don’t like giving out these record setting contracts but you can’t let them all walk. Hill is a keeper, imo.

ta2tony21

Yup. Hill is a no brainer for me. If the concern is the words “record setting” no worries, someone will come along in a year or two and blow it out of the water. Just how it works.

He’s earned it. Pay the man.

workingmansdead

The day he loses a step he’ll lose about 70% of his effectiveness as a player.

backbone313
backbone313

… imagine when Ford loses a step. He will be about 20% effective.

You run Hill until his legs fall off. He truelly is a special athlete

workingmansdead

Yeah, I agree. I just don’t want the team to have $40M guaranteed when that day comes.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Which is why we need to stop having him run all those damn jet sweeps! Save his legs for after the snap.

backbone313
backbone313

More and more other NFL teams incorporated the jet sweep motions and were using players with lesser talent then Hill. These other teams still benefited from the reactions of the motions.

Hill could have these motions cut in half on gameday and still be affective

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason

The real reason sigming John Ross makes sense. He is the permanent jet sweep guy. If not that then go routes opposite hill all day.

They let it go they get burned. Cover it and Kelce or Ty are open underneath or deep on the opposite side.

starry1
starry1

No to John Ross. Grab a burner in the draft if that is what you’re looking for.

Kcrobwins
Kcrobwins

Im pretty excited for pringle. I thought he easily made a team last year before blowing his hammy and landing on IR.

ta2tony21

The day he loses a step he’ll still be the 2nd fastest WR in the NFL…

slackator
slackator

The day Hill loses a step he’ll still be faster than most other WRs and DBs, you switch him to slot and your good for another 3 or 4 years. Barring a significant leg injury though I dont see Hill “losing a step” for still quite awhile, the way his body is built hes gonna have his quickness for quite awhile and his speed like I said will still be faster than most others

workingmansdead

Just don’t say I didn’t warn you!

slackator
slackator

as long as you dont say I told you so

workingmansdead

lol deal

Mitko
Mitko

Doesn’t EB still have the record contract for safety’s? Market went down for them the next year.
I feel Houston is still top 3 or 4. ( But that’s because Miller and Mack)
Hitchens is still #1 too I believe.
I could be wrong

ta2tony21

Yeah, but thats likely to change this year. Houston is 4th in avg salary.

Offensive “record contracts” seem to get set a lot more often than for defense, part of the reason I’m against big money free agents on long term deals on defense in the modern NFL

workingmansdead

Front load, front load, front load. Just leave it so we can get out of these horrible deals!

backbone313
backbone313

Veach being crucified for doing this with Watkins and Hitchens. Fans want them cut after 1 year and complain about dead money.

New CBA leaves everything to the unknown

ta2tony21

Watkins and Hitchens contracts aren’t really front loaded.

workingmansdead

THATS THE PROBLEM

ta2tony21

Dude, you’re talking to the #1 hater of those contracts. I been bitching about them since the moment the details came out…

Leaf
Leaf

I might not argee with every take you have on BV, but I also thought they were way too rich from the start. So far BV appears on the surface to be just as bad as John at negotiating contracts. Quite possibly worse.

ta2tony21

Its hard to argue JH and EB didn’t deserve to be the highest paid at their position at the time. It was a matter of Dorsey not signing them a year too soon. He would have been crucified by fans had he not signed them at that point.

Veach’s contracts on the other hand, were to a LB no one had ever heard of who was a JAG and a WR who breaks down every year. Neither of them were must-haves for this team, and neither had done anything to earn the contracts he gave them IMO.

Aside from his injury concerns, at the time I said it was very bad for business to give your #2 $16mil a year when your #1 is making $400k a year and that Reek was going to want a fortune. I was told repeatedly that wouldn’t come in to play…and here we are, he’s turned 1 bad contract for Watkins into what I can only assume will eventually be another bad contract for Hill.

backbone313
backbone313

According to the dead cap hits from their release… they sure are front loaded.

ta2tony21

When I say not front loaded, I mean theres still significant dead money late in the contract. I want the last year to be completely void of dead money on a 3 year deal (Watkins) and on long term deal like Hitchens I want almost no dean on the 2nd to last year and none the last.

Their contracts are actually back loaded. Look at the cap hits for Watkins, they go UP every year and he carries $7mil dead money if we cut him the last year. That is the definition of a bad contract

chief_curmudgeon
chief_curmudgeon

JH has a “back-loaded” contract in that regards. Honestly, not a bad contract if he were healthy and performing like a 15-sack guy.

Fisher and Schwartz have great contracts.

Kelce has a nice low cap hit, but if he were in an EB situation he would have a lot of dead cap.

LDT has a good contract, but his cap hit is a little high for what the team should be allocating with a Franchise QB IMO.

workingmansdead

It’s almost like it is truly impossible to predict someone’s level of play 4-5 years down the road. No matter how good they are at the time. There should never be any dead money after about 2-3 years, IMO.

chief_curmudgeon
chief_curmudgeon

Schwartz and Kelce were pretty well established at the time.
Fisher and LDT were a gamble.
Houston was probably about a 12 sack guy that we had to pay as a 20 sack guy. That’s the primary beef people have with Dorsey in regards to JH contract, I think.

Pelletman
Pelletman

Maybe 10 years ago. Contracts have shifted to more guaranteed money, which will be spread out over the life of the contracts. You can’t constantly frontload because of the cap. Dead money will always be a significant and necessary part of cap management.

workingmansdead

A little too absolute with my statement there. There will always be some, yes, but it needs to be minimized as much as possible.

backbone313
backbone313

Berry at $13 mil average
Kam $12
Jones Mia $12
Smith Min $10

backbone313
backbone313

HitChen comes in at #7 for ILB

backbone313
backbone313

HOuston at 3, Ford at 5 for OLB

Average salary for 2019, not cap hit

Mitko
Mitko

Thanks, for some Reason I thought Hitchens was 1

chief_curmudgeon
chief_curmudgeon

The combination of highest positional contract and worst PFF grade would have created some kind of magnetron where beams of radiation would fly out of the TV into peoples eyes like Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Tarkus

He’s only #1 in our hearts.

ta2tony21

I expect Thomas and Collins to end up the 1 and 2 highest paid safeties this year…

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

I’ll be legitimately pissed if we throw a ton of money at Earl Thomas. We will have not learned anything from our past mistakes. If you’re going to spend real money at the position go get younger. Even a cheap average stopgap veteran would be a better alternative.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I’m hoping Weddle will be that “cheap…stopgap veteran.”

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

I’d be perfectly content with that. We’re not desperate to make a huge splash at that position. I’d pretty much only give good money to Collins.

ta2tony21

Don’t know how cheap he’ll be, but I’d say hes def more affordable.

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat

I want Tyreek. There is not a tougher, harder working, faster, or more talented wide receiver in the NFL. I say pay him!

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

Thanks for a fine Huddle, Sporting