Crossing the Line: A Broncos Fan Reaction by Mancar

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“One of these days you’re gonna love me.” While I’m not a big country music fan, Tim McGraw certainly evokes the spirit of fans. There is something about fandom and going through its ups and downs that make you love your team in a way you can’t love anything else. Its like dating a bi-polar actress who hasn’t got a call back 4 hours. I love you…but god dammit you are crazy. 

The Broncos made a trade for Flacco today, and while I am not enthusiastic about it, something about…familiarity…is sadly comforting. The Broncos have been the kings of sub par QB play for the last 4 seasons. At first we were tricked with the promise that the same formula that led us to the Super Bowl, a great defense and mediocre QB play, could continue to be a trend in the NFL. Enter Trevor Siemian, the 7th round wonder kid who took hold of the playbook and learned quickly. His 7th round draft status quickly became apparent, to the point that if he DIDN’T throw an interception you would be shocked. Sounds like it couldn’t get worse, right?

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We decided to stay with Trevor and bring back Brock Osweiler  and kept trying to give Paxton Lynch every opportunity to win the starting QB job. Another season with crap QB play, another season in the tank. Our genius Front Office and glorious coach decided to go ahead and pay another wonder kid: Case Keenum. What could go wrong, right? Oh he would lead the league in interceptions? You don’t say? Oh he would make terrible decisions when the team had some sort of momentum going? Who’d of thunk it? Naturally the Front Office saw this and decided they had to make another move …

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TRADE FOR FLACCO! THE GOD! THE LEGEND! THE MYTH! THE JUGGERNAUT OF 2012! THE. ELITE. JOE. FLACCO!

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…only that is not what happened. We are not getting an elite QB. We are not getting a QB to compete with the likes of Rivers and Mahomes. We are still, to this day, trying to replicate a formula that hasn’t worked since 2015. Joe Flacco is what happens when you take a piece of white bread and put butter on it. Joe Flacco is what happens when you are at a gas station and say “You know what I am gonna try 89 instead of 87.” Joe Flacco is what happens when you have dug yourself into a hole where JOE FLACCO seems like a saving grace. Now I don’t mean to hate on Joe, this is much more a critique on the events leading up to trading for Joe. By all accounts this is a low risk move. Take a 4th rounder (you have an extra one anyway since you got one for D. Thomas), trade it for a QB with no guarantees or dead cap in 2019-2020 moving on, and move on past Keenum. While I don’t agree with many of Elway’s moves he at least makes some moves that you can quickly get away from. Flacco to me isn’t about Flacco…this move spells the need to go and get Drew Lock…and to be honest I don’t like that either. The transition from Flacco to Lock is much much easier than Keenum to Lock. I would be SHOCKED if the Broncos do not draft Lock. But even then what does that give you? Another seemingly mediocre QB…HEY BUT AT LEAST THIS TIME HE IS YOUNGER!

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The Broncos have been terribly afraid of admitting a rebuild. They have done everything in their power to stay competitive. To me that is foolish. They brought in stop gaps at all positions and didn’t adjust systems to fit the QB’s strengths. Whats the point of bringing in QB’s if you are just waiting for someone that isn’t here? The Broncos want Lock and that is fine…but for the love of the football gods build a system around his strengths. This notion of growing a QB into your system is outdated. 

There isn’t a lot to truly hate about this trade but there isn’t anything to like either. Flacco cannot compete with Rivers, Flacco cannot outgun Mahomes. The most important position in football has to be someone spectacular. The Broncos made this move with the future in mind and they better pray to the football Gods that Lock is available when they draft and that Lock becomes more than what he is projected to be. As a Bronco’s fan, I don’t have to tell you Chiefs fans what it is like continually hoping for better QB play. Perhaps in that regard we are closer than we thought. 

“One of these days you’re gonna love me.” I hope so Tim because sometimes its hard loving a team. 

-Mancar

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legal_kush
legal_kush

Rings:
Flacco 1
Rivers 0
Mahomes 0

Foles: 1

pompano
pompano

Howdy Mancar, make yourself to home 🙂

ChiefArrowhead
ChiefArrowhead

Mancar, I always enjoy the friendly banter and your grounded view. I can empathize with you online, but to all my real life donk fan acquaintances it’ll be payback time. The best ones are the ones still defending Elway… I keep telling them it’s okay to say he was an amazing qb but shit gm. Yet they refuse reality and bring up manning.

starry1
starry1

This sad sad article almost makes me feel sorry for the Donks. Not quite though.

Mitko
Mitko

I love that Denver’s best hope is a kid from Kansas City

wustl_chiefs_fan

Hopefully it turns out like the last time they chose a KC kid in the 1st round.

Mitko
Mitko

He gets a Chiefs tattoo?

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

O/T (but still on-topic): I’m kind of hoping that we can scoop Ray up on a two year, prove it deal….see if his wrist is good enough for him to do some strength training, and if so, get him around 260….and unleash him.

More I think back, read scouting reports, think about his Big 12 days, the more I feel like Ray was meant to be a 43 speed end and not a linebacker.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

Feel sorry for the Broncos? Not a chance. Feel a little sorry for Mancar? Probably just a little.

THEMancar
THEMancar

#Progress

Sick Duck
Sick Duck

Mancar, while I’ve always liked you, I won’t lie. We Chiefs fans know what it’s like to be in rebuild denial and the Donks got it bad. I can see at least another 2 seasons before Elway et. al. decide that the uproar is enough to finally go ahead and do the hard work to rebuild. In the meanwhile, I still have Rivers of tears to drink and Faiders to smash so life can’t be all bad.

Forever58
Forever58

I feel sorry for the guy because for years we were in QB hell. The fans that put up with it and still stick with their team are no different than those of us that have been here game after game with our Chiefs.

Mancar I feel for ya buddy, but that GM of yours can go walk off a mountain.

alsi2
alsi2

I think Elway thinks…

1) bring in a veteran who has won something in the past who can still play enough to survive a season, and

2) draft a QBOTF this year who can take a season on the bench to learn the system and how to be an NFL QB from a veteran, and

3) voila! Elway thinks he has an Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes situation from 2017, and then he will be set to let Flacco go or maybe keep him as a veteran backup if Flacco is willing to stay for a small sum and if he is also willing to watch the young prodigy light up the AFC West.

Elway is delusional.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

Flacco couldnt be further from Alex Smith in term of being a veteran backup teaching his successor. I remember when Jackson was being booed and Flacco’s name was being chanted (during the Ravens wild card loss to Chargers), Flacco promptly put on a helmet to force Harbaugh’s hand, despite the team not asking him to warm up to go in.

Spider
Spider

In Flacco’s defense, that running back is a terrible quarterback.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

he is not a team player. enough said.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

In that running back’s defense, he did nearly win them the game at the end

/shrug

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh

I hope the Broncos stay in the toilet. That fanbase hasn’t known futility and snakebites like the rest of the AFC West. Before 2017 their worst season since 2003 was 7-9. That’s a huge chunk of time to be at .500 or above.

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

I wouldn’t wish bad luck on anyone but the Raiders. I may not be a Broncos fan but I respect what they’ve done.

ta2tony21

Yeah, I get that. I miss when the entire division was seemingly up for grabs every year.

IrezumiChief
IrezumiChief

I am the flipside of you then…I wish bad luck on any team not named Chiefs…especially the other AFC West teams….

Ferf
Ferf

This is off topic, but I wanted to share a link to a video I found on Youtube about Mahomes. I did not see how to post a fanshot so here is the link it is a look back at the season Mahomes had very good but 28 mins.

ta2tony21

Just paste the link to the vid right in the comment box and it’ll embed.

Ferf
Ferf

Thanks was looking for a spot to kinda just share a fanshot of it as I really enjoyed it and thought most others here would.

ta2tony21

I can put it in the open thread for tomorrow.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

this dude does epic sports videos. he did one for Eric Berry a while ago. but this is beyond epic tbh

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

That is the best video I have ever seen on the internet. I’m just getting sick of that last game.

Chief Chalk
Chief Chalk

Joe Vincent has some damn good videos, goes beyond football too. I didn’t watch any basketball growin’ up, let’s me get a feel for what it was like seeing some of the greats careers from start to finish.

THEMancar
THEMancar

Kudos, to you guys for creating a new site. AP is like a shell of its former self. Thanks for having me on. Can’t wait to talk shit to all of you.

ta2tony21

Yup, we got all the cool kids. Let your fellow Mile High sufferers know they’re all welcome here any time.

ArmChairQB
ArmChairQB

Yay, the one and only Mancar.. glad to see you here.

Tyrone
Tyrone

Great writing. Maybe I enjoyed it so much because it was oozing with Broncos misery.

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat

Gotta admit I love seeing Denver do what we did for so many years. It’s gonna be fun!

oof46
oof46

Welcome, Mancar! Great to have you here!

…fuck the Broncos.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

hmm.. matches my thoughts.

tbh, i think Elway is hoping that Lock (or whoever is left at 10) is good enough to beat Flacco in training camp. Then, this trade will be a success. he basically bought himself the ability to cut bait without any consequences if the rookie shines. for a 4th round pick. if the rookie is not ready, Flacco plays for one more year.

the other part is, i truly doubt Elway is able to trade Keenum. everyone knows Denver will move on from Keenum no matter what. so why bother. let Denver take the 7.5 million hit, and when Keenum hits free agency, sign him much cheaper at 10-12 million, rather than the 17.5 million he is on the hook for.

this reeks of desperation and wishful thinking. college QBs arent ready most of the time. you could trial by fire, or groom him. Flacco isnt much of a groomer.

THEMancar
THEMancar

There are rumblings that Arizona could be interested in Keenum. I mean if we could trade Trevor we can trade Keenum. haha

wustl_chiefs_fan

The only way they would trade for him is if they view it as trading cap space for picks. He’s too expensive to be a backup and I doubt they’re willing to give up on Rosen.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

like the Osweiller deal? i dunno if Elway is that desperate to remove 7.5 million of dead cap.

wustl_chiefs_fan

Yeah, which is why I doubt he gets traded.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

yup. I think Elway will have to give up a 3rd at least to trade away Keenum. i dont see any team doing that.

Tyrone
Tyrone

Yeah I think he would be a good fit with the Hotshots.

ta2tony21

BD, you made it!!!

Btw, RDD India is down below in the comments.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

i have been lurking here unnoticed for a few weeks. this week i finally became active haha

ta2tony21

Yay! Good to have you around my man!

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

Thanks for the insight from the Mile High! It’s good to see things from different perspectives even if it’s one we’ve lived.

My question on Keenum is his cap hit. How much of that sticks with Denver if he’s traded before or after June 1? If I were GM of the Broncos I’d be tempted to sit on him (assuming cap allows) until an injury makes another team desperate

THEMancar
THEMancar

I believe he has a 10 million dollar cap hit with 7 million in guaranteed money

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

according to over the cap, Keenum’s 2019 cap hit is 21 million, with 7 million guaranteed. if he is cut before June 1, his dead money is 10 million. post june 1 it just moves to next year i think.

tsv0728
tsv0728

Thanks for doing this Mancar. Obviously, there are no Chiefs fans crying for Denver over spilt QB’s, but we certainly know the pain well. I don’t know if Johnny is planning to draft Drew. I think he might be holding out for next year. It is an interesting position he is in though. If this team can’t win some games before his contract is up (2021 right?), he might be fired even if the team still belongs to Ellis. He might be hesitant to swing at yet another young QB, knowing another miss will certainly cost him his job.

THEMancar
THEMancar

Denver is in such a bad spot right now. Elway could very well be on his last leg as a GM and we have (what seems to be) a very lengthy ownership battle looming. Things are going to get really bad IMO.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

The vibe I get in Denver is so much different between Flacco and Keenum. Last year the talking heads in Denver were genuinely (delusionally) happy about bringing stability to the QB position with Keenum. This year I feel like they’re all talking themselves into that this a good thing, or at least not a bad thing.

Spoiler alert, Flacco is going to look like trash, especially if there’s a young QB sitting on the bench. He’ll probably have a few good games to start the season but he’s cooked. Keenum looked ok when he wasn’t asked to do too much. Remember that streak in the middle of their season beating teams like the Steelers and Chargers and all of Denver got super excited. Well in those games Keenum just didn’t screw up. He let the other team screw up. Then mastermind Vance Joseph publicly chastised him for not being aggressive enough, wham lambasted by the hapless 49ers.

NEWS FLASH: Flacco’s biggest problem is throwing dumb interceptions. Of course, Drew Lock will likely throw even more once the Donkey fans boo Flacco out of town by week 5. Maybe that’s horseface’s ultimate goal, to make his new rookie qb look better.

Honestly I just don’t get it.

tsv0728
tsv0728

Alfred and Dmac were adamant that Flacco was a terrible answer…right up until yesterday lol. Of course like you said, Alfred was convinced Keenum was special. That says a lot about the value of his scouting opinion.

THEMancar
THEMancar

Those who were happy about Keenum were kidding themselves. I heard countless times that we didn’t need to draft a QB because Keenum was our answer…..LOL….nothing about Keenum is the answer. His short term contract alone summed that up….people refuse to believe that we are rebuilding and always look for quick solutions. That is the infuriating part about fandom. Some people know that it is going to take some time to become good again….others are impatient.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

Keenum is who we thought he was. Which was basically not Semien or Osweiler or Lynch. I actually think with a semi competent HC/OC who was willing to recognize his limitations that the Donkeys could of been ok last year.

IMO, Flacco is straight up garbage at this point in his career. I think keenum has a chance to be a really good backup.

wustl_chiefs_fan

While I don’t agree with many of Elway’s moves he at least makes some moves that you can quickly get away from. Flacco to me isn’t about Flacco…this move spells the need to go and get Drew Lock

This to me really sums up the trade. The biggest positive is that the Broncos can easily move on from him after 2019. But what does it say about a trade when the biggest positive is that you can easily get rid of the guy you just acquired?

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

Ya but how’s that any different from what they had with Keenum?

tsv0728
tsv0728

Elway had talked too much shit on Case in the offseason (shit relative to a GM regarding a player on his roster). There was no way he was going to make it through March. That said, having to pay Case his gtd money AND pay Flacco decent QB money means you are paying elite level money to the position, with only a mediocre player to show for it.

wustl_chiefs_fan

Keenum was more of a serious attempt to find a starting QB, which is why they will have to eat $10 million to get rid of him this year (or do an Osweiler-type trade where they give somebody extra draft picks to take on most of the guaranteed money).

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

I’ve said all along that they should of drafted a QB last year. They had the high pick, a good gap QB but they went defense instead.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

they definitely should have drafted a QB. they had a shot at Allen & Rosen. while they werent the best QB in the class, they would probably be better by 2019 now.

instead they got Chubb, who will probably be a fantastic player, but his best years will be wasted on 7 win seasons.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

i think Elway is swinging for the best case scenario. move Keenum’s dead cap hit away, get Flacco’s 0 guaranteed in. then draft a QB. hope that rookie QB wins open QB competition in camp. Flacco cut before start of season.

but it is the best case scenario.

more likely, Keenum isnt traded, so 10 million dead cap when he is cut. Flacco wins QB competition with rookie, and the QB position cap hit is about 28-30 million in 2019.

to make it worse, Broncos post a respectable 7-9, and they miss out on the tank for Tua train.

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

I notice not a single mention of Chad “breakin the law” Kelly. Also, its unfortunate for Denver (good for Chiefs Kingdom) that Elway cant exactly be fired. He’s part of the trust that runs the team. Until the Bowlen family steps up to run the team like daddy wants, they’re saddled with Elway and his ego ruining a proud franchise. Now that I’ve said nice things about Denver, I need someone to volunteer to strike my thumb with a hammer to teach me the error of my ways.

THEMancar
THEMancar

When you get your ass whooped by a Vacuum cleaner you deserve no mention.

ta2tony21

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THEMancar
THEMancar

Seems like a great campaign ad for Dyson or Hoover.

ta2tony21

Maybe ADT or The Ring…

THEMancar
THEMancar

Or AA. Dude needs help.

ta2tony21

An AA sponsor isn’t hard to come by.

stjoechief
stjoechief

Thanks, Mancar, for doing this. Going on a rival team site and discussing a topic like this takes character. As a Chiefs fan, I feel your pain. I remember being disappointed when Kyle Orton signed with Dallas as a backup rather than start for the Chiefs. At least you aren’t down to that level yet. I don’t think Lock is going to be the answer for Denver either, so it may be a while before the Broncos get the kind of qb play you’ve come to expect over the years.

ta2tony21

Manny!!! Welcome to our humble commode!

THEMancar
THEMancar

Its nice in here. I am digging the leather recliners.

ta2tony21

Hope you wiped that down first. Mahomes has had quite the unexpected consequences on upholstery this year…

THEMancar
THEMancar

I prefer the mystery.

ta2tony21

May your pants be ever-absorbent.

THEMancar
THEMancar

Corduroys, Homie.

ta2tony21

Purrrrrrfect.

THEMancar
THEMancar

LOL i missed you fools

ta2tony21

Well don’t be a stranger damnit.

I do have a trip I need to make to Denver sometime, be good to have a beer with ya when I’m in town.

THEMancar
THEMancar

For sure!

ta2tony21

BTW, feel free to share the link with all your bronco buddies…

tsv0728
tsv0728

It’s never too late to jump on the Pat Magic bandwagon!

ta2tony21

Indeed.

THEMancar
THEMancar

I think Pat is amazing. But i still dislike your team :p

RDD India
RDD India

Look at the bright side man. You are getting first round talent along with experience of playing in Super Bowl.

THEMancar
THEMancar

LOL what good will that do when we don’t make the playoffs?

RDD India
RDD India

Joe’s good. Just need little stronger cast around him. You got great RB, add a deep threat WR and TE and you all set. I thinks you gonna be okay.

ta2tony21

Speaking of casts…hows the OL looking in Denver?

THEMancar
THEMancar

Outside of Paradis it is very weak.

ta2tony21

Might wanna work on that Elway…

tsv0728
tsv0728

For the time being you can’t even include Paradis what with him not being under contract.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

OL coach is legit. I’m shocked he came for the OL job, considering Munch nearly was hired to run it all

Big Chief
Big Chief

Last year Denver definitely didn’t use an offense that matched their QBs strengths. I think Keenum is better than what he showed for just that reason. At least going with Flacco, it sounds like they are putting him in a system that fits him, and Keenum doesn’t fit well in it, either.

I think you’re right on about building your offense to match not just your QB, but your team talent. Denver way under performed last year for the level of ability on that team. Hard to blame anyone but the coaches for that.

THEMancar
THEMancar

Im cautiously optimistic about the new coaching staff. Fangio SEEMS to be much more of a person in charge than Vance Joseph ever was. Hoping they can have a decent draft and our sophomores continue to grow.

workingmansdead

Thanks, Mancar. Appreciate the perspective. I agree with your premise, the fact that getting Joe Flacco was a feasible move for the franchise is the truly sad part for the fans. And thanks Ups for facilitating.

THEMancar
THEMancar

Thanks! Was happy to do it. Thanks Ups! appreciate it. Its almost as if the Broncos are afraid to take their lumps as a rebuilding team. Band aids everywhere. There is no shame in rebuilding. The Pats are the exception to the rule. Every other team has to take time to get back to getting routinely competitive.

workingmansdead

You ready for Elway to go or no?

THEMancar
THEMancar

Give him one last chance with this FA and draft.

Scallywag
Scallywag

I hope he stays forever