Morning Huddle – Coaches, Contracts and Championships

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Your Chiefs News for February 9, 2019

Who duffug left me in charge of this thing? Lets see what kinda trouble we can get in together, eh folks? On with the news!!!

Two with Spagnuolo connections could soon be added to Chiefs’ defensive coaching staff | Kansas City Star

Two weeks after Chiefs coach Andy Reid named Steve Spagnuolo to replace Bob Sutton in the defensive coordinator’s role, reports have surfaced about other coaching changes on the horizon. Citing unnamed sources, ESPN’s Field Yates on Thursday reported that David Merritt, who coached the defensive backs for the Arizona Cardinals last season, will be hired by the Chiefs. Yates reported Friday that Matt House, the University of Kentucky’s defensive coordinator, will join Reid’s staff, too. Both have connections to Spagnuolo.

Chiefs consider contracts of Ford, Houston, Berry, Hill, Jones: Who stays, who goes? | Kansas City Star

Player contract time is arriving for the Chiefs. What makes this offseason different is the number of star players whose deals are likely to be extended or re-worked in an effort to maintain the foundation of a team that was one game away from playing in the Super Bowl. The future of players like outside linebackers Dee Ford and Justin Houston, wide receiver Tyreek Hill and defensive lineman Chris Jones was the primary topic for Chiefs general manager Brett Veach, who spoke to reporters on Thursday for the first time since the end of the season.

Chiefs aim to keep Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones ‘for a long time’ | 247 Sports

Hill and Jones were among many topics Veach addressed during a teleconference with Chiefs beat reporters, as well as during a radio interview with Soren Petro of Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City. Veach made it clear it was in the team’s best interest to keep Hill and Jones in Kansas City on long-term deals, solidifying them as core pieces for years to come. 

Chiefs GM ‘excited about bringing’ Dee Ford back in ’19 | NFL

Kansas City Chiefs pass rusher Dee Ford is scheduled to hit free agency next month, but it doesn’t sound like he’ll be packing up his home. Chiefs GM Brett Veach spoke of Ford on Thursday as if it’s a foregone conclusion the linebacker will return in 2019. “Obviously, Dee’s a player that had done so much for us, in particular, last year, that we’re excited about bringing him back,” Veach said, via Arrowhead Guys.

Editor’s Note: Sure I changed it to reflect what it should have said. But we had the Veach interview posted before anyone else. Just sayin’.

Six writers project Chiefs to win two of next five Super Bowls | 247 Sports

The Kansas City Chiefs haven’t won a Super Bowl in almost 50 years, but a handful of Sports Illustrated/MMQB analysts think that will change in the near future — twice. MMQB ran a feature Friday where ten staff members came together to predict the winners of the next five Super Bowls. The Chiefs were picked by eight of them to win a Super Bowl in the next five years, while six of them (Mitch Goldich, Gary Gramling, Jonathan Jones, Kalyn Kahler, Tim Rohan, Jenny Vrentas) picked the Chiefs to win two of the next five. 

Multiple Super Bowl titles? National NFL writers are bullish about Chiefs’ future | Kansas City Star

But the good news is the future is bright for the Chiefs, who have the NFL’s Most Valuable Player in quarterback Patrick Mahomes and a young group of talented skill players around him. Las Vegas is bullish on the Chiefs’ chances in 2019. Many national NFL observers also believe the future is bright for the Chiefs. How bright? Ten Sports Illustrated writers predicted the next five Super Bowl winners, and eight of them saw the Chiefs winning the big game. In fact, six writers predicted the Chiefs would win two Super Bowls.

Pro Football Focus Names Seven Chiefs in the Annual “PFF Top 101” Rankings | Chiefs

The Kansas City Chiefs put together one of the best seasons in franchise history in 2018, and unsurprisingly, it landed seven players in Pro Football Focus’ annual “Top 101” rankings, which singles out the top performers from the year. In fact, the Chiefs had six players named in the top 40. Here’s a look at who made the list.

Mock Draft Roundup 1.0: Who Do the Experts Have the Chiefs Drafting? |Chiefs

Chiefs Reporter BJ Kissel goes through five of the latest mock drafts from around the internet to let you know which players are currently being mocked to the Chiefs with the No. 29 overall pick

Returning to Kansas City Chiefs is best outcome for Kareem Hunt | Arrowhead Addict

While other teams were flirting publicly with the idea of potentially signing the former Chiefs running back or at least talking about him in terms of a potential transaction (e.g. the Jets reportedly said no), officials in K.C. were focused solely on his personal well-being. Even more, according to an initial report from Nate Taylor of The Athletic, being a resource was the only role the Chiefs could play after they released him. Note the following from Taylor shortly after Hunt’s release in early December:

Editor’s Note: Again, Arrowhead Guys was the first to state the Chiefs should bring Kareem Hunt back after the Brett Veach interview. I’m not bitter, you’re bitter.

Ten Chiefs storylines to watch in the next 30 days | 247 Sports

There’s no football for fans to watch over the next 30 days (other than the first season of the Alliance of American Football, of course), but that doesn’t mean there won’t be much to talk about when it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs. There won’t be a barrage of news like there is during the regular season, but there could be some important developments to come up every now and then over the next month. Some of it will be free agency-related, while there could also be news about whether certain players stay or go. There could also be some light shed on what the Chiefs will look like on defense next season. And, of course, there will be plenty to talk about once the NFL Scouting Combine arrives late in the month. Here’s a look at some of the Chiefs-related stories that could be in the conversation between now and early March. 

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KC Dude (A.K.A Zif)

Where’s this leave Britt?

Panzer85
Panzer85

Suck it, nepotism! HaHAA!

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Shoving all the chips to the middle of the table

APtransplant25
APtransplant25

Baby Reid gonna go?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

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NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

This should be interesting. Is Daly filling a different role? Is Reid being moved to assistant D-line? Or maybe Reid is moving to a different role (non-coaching?). Maybe he is gone altogether? I have no idea but I hope they tell us what is happening soon.

sydenham
sydenham

Jones and Hill, yes.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

Today @ 8pm est on CBS- new AAF football league starts

The new pro football league features a number of familiar names to NFL fans. Former NFL GM Bill Polian is the league’s head of football. Former Pittsburgh Steelers players Troy Polamalu and Hines Ward are head of player relations and head of football development, respectively. Former NFL vice presidents of officiating Dean Blandino and Mike Pereira are officiating consultants. Charlie Ebersol, son of retired NBC Sports executive Dick Ebersol, is co-founder and CEO of the AAF.

KC Dude (A.K.A Zif)

So… Who you got for tonight’s game? San Diego or San Antonio?

zulu trader
zulu trader

Mahommie; $33.3 Million/year for 15 years = $500 Million

sydenham
sydenham

I’d be talking to an insurance company about a policy.

zulu trader
zulu trader

ad in the boys endorsements over the next 15 yrs. and ??? Billionaire, with a “B”

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

What the difference between 25 and 30 million ?.
If your Super Bowl contender every year, your making money on endorsements. I would take less, to make more if I was Mahomes.

zulu trader
zulu trader

over ten years = $50 million

Chickennpickles
Chickennpickles

I just read that one of the lead actors from a popular, long running sitcom (I can’t remember the name. It’s about nerds) just passed on 50 million to do another season. He wanted to do other projects & had made a lot of money over the last 12 years.
So, sometimes people will choose happiness over more money. Let’s hope Patrick is one of those rare cats. For the record, I wouldn’t blame him for taking every penny he can. I don’t blame any of these guys. Generational money can change a lot of people’s lives for the better.

Tarkus

For competitive athletes, being highest paid at your position is often part of that competitiveness. It’s another way of “winning.” It’s not just about greed.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

But one thing he needs to keep in mind is that if he REALLY wants to win, the best way that can be achieved is to take a little less. You will STILL be rich as fuck, have all kinds of generational wealth but you will also enable your team to afford to keep quality players around you so that you have a legitimate shot to compete for Superbowls. There is no greater example of the inevitable truth of this than to look at the two vastly different situations of Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. One is enormously rich. The other is really rich too and has six rings. Which would you prefer?

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

That and the pressure from the players’ union and agents add a not insignificant incentive to take the largest deal. Mahomes might be successful enough that he can buck the norms but I wouldn’t count on it.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

Mahomes might be successful enough that he can buck the norms but I wouldn’t count on it.

Tom Brady did.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

Or what Tim Allen was offered for 1 season of Home Improvement 20 years ago.

chief_curmudgeon
chief_curmudgeon

Highest Average Annual Value
Current QB Contracts

Aaron Rodgers – $33.5M
Matt Ryan – $30.0M
Kirk Cousins – $28.0M
Jimmy Garoppolo- $27.5M
Matthew Stafford – $27.0M

These players combined to go 28-37-2 in 2018

None of these players led their team to the playoffs
— NFL Research (@NFLResearch) February 8, 2019

Factually accurate, but cherry picking stats.
Rodgers – injured, lame coach from the 1940s
Ryan – overpaid and overrated
Cousins – overpaid and overrated
Garoppolo – injured
Stafford – overpaid and overrated

Replace Ryan or Cousins (keeping their salaries) with Mahomes and they win the SB. The real takeaway is: don’t overpay non-elite QBs.

chief_curmudgeon
chief_curmudgeon

Do we need to be paying Google or something? AG doesn’t show up on searches for “chiefs” – general or news. AP (and AA) get all the cred, and Paul Rudd name drops… MFers.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

The guy on Modern Family also mentioned AP on Rich Eisen.

I blame GMFB for this.

EAFOX

Matt House is a fantastic hire. He has a terrific college resume and has some NFL experience as well. He was a dark horse candidate for the DC position before we hired Spags so glad to have him on board. No less about David Merritt so we will have to see the impact there. Britt Reid survives to the angst of others – Is this favoritism or did he earn his keep?

As for Hunt, I am not opposed to the Chiefs reaching out to him but I do not see it happening. The incident itself could be overlooked as it was not as bad as many that have happened in the NFL but his deceit about what happened has probably destroyed any chance he has at returning to the Chiefs.

IrezumiChief
IrezumiChief

I agree with the D staff hiring. House is a huge win for us. I am actually glad Britt is staying. The whole nepotism thing falls on deaf ears with me. Nepotism (which many claim, not meaning you directly) would be Britt keeping his job when he wasn’t good at it and clearly have someone better to replace him. That isn’t the case here. Bailey quietly had a great year, Jones has become a monster, and the others on the DL seem to be developing just fine. My vote, names aside, is lil Andy has earned his keep. As for Hunt, I woud bring him back in a heartbeat…

BoJest
BoJest

Daly from the Pats was just hired as the DL coach. No word on what Little Reid will do now.

Tarkus

He was hired, but I don’t think it’s been stated that he was hired as DL coach (though that seems likely).

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

It would likely have to be some kind of upgrade if that was the case would it not? Something like DL Coach + Assistant Defensive Coordinator? He couldn’t just make a lateral move could he?

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Re Hunt, I hope they keep saying all the right things. “He’s on the back burner, an afterthought,” but in a dark corner of the FO they’re working it hard to bring him back. Clearly there’s a substantial portion of the fan base that would either tolerate his return or is all in. I’m part of the “all in” group. The rest of the fans will get back on board after he trucks a couple of linebackers. Exhibit A: Tyreek Hill

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

Did Tyreek Hill lie about what happened? No. Hill accepted responsibility for what he did and went above and beyond to make things right. He married the woman.

Kareem lying to the Chiefs face to face about what happened is huge in my eyes. Destroy my trust, you’re probably not ever going to be considered trustworthy by me again. I won’t be upset if they bring Hunt back, but I’m not signing a petition, either. Running Backs are easy to find and not expensive.

Berserker

Already got a couple feasible candidates on staff for our next DC if/when Spags moves on… Not sure we ever had even one of those on Sutton’s staff.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

Merritt was the longtime DB coach for the Giants including the times that they won the Superbowls. So he is here based on merit (heh…). I am hopeful that having Merritt and Spags here plus being the favorite to win the Superbowl next year may give us the inside track to landing Landin Collins and maybe at a little discounted rate than what he might make other teams pay. His familiarity with Spags system will only help him get quickly settled in.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Clark hunt said Kareem would never wear a chiefs uniform again. That’s about all you need to know.

Team Player
Team Player

My odds on where Kareem lands

Jacksonville 10:1
Minnesota 20:1
Cincinnati 20:1
Green Bay 30:1
Detroit 50:1
Tampa Bay 50:1
Miami 50:1
Buffalo 50:1
Homeless 50:1
Houston 100:1
Tennessee 100:1
Pittsburgh 100:1

All others 1000:1

Chiefs 5000:1

No one 3:1

If Vegas has a line on this I’d be interested to compare.

EAFOX

Chicago, Indy, or Philly – Chiefs connection will help him get a second chance.

legal_kush
legal_kush

I don’t see jail on your list.

Warpath
Warpath

I think you are correct sir and hope you’re wrong.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed

What is unfortunate for Kareem is Andy Reid can not give him a second chance here. But the guy who drafted him could. However, with Dorsey landing in Cleveland, there is no way in hell could you let Kareem Hunt be in the city all his crew is from and hope he doesn’t make a bad decision.

Hunt has to hope Reid and Dorsey vouch for him to other coaches and gms so Hunt has more options than bottom dwellar teams that will do anything to improve. (Detroit, Jets, Tampa Bay, or Buffalo)

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Maybe, but even Clark Hunt can come around as the narrative (and fans) evolve

Tarkus

Clark hunt said Kareem would never wear a chiefs uniform again.

Link?

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

I dont think we ever see Hunt in Red (KC red) again. I would put the odds at under 10% (I’d gladly eat that crow, FWIW) that Veach would do it. At this point, I think his focus should be getting his act together, and finding a different social group.

BleedingRedAndGold

In this particular case, I wouldn’t be shocked if Veach would go along with some plan to bring Hunt back, and wouldn’t be much more surprised if Clark signed off on it, either. To me, Reid’s the key – and what it would take to sell him on it is anybody’s guess, but despite his reputation as a player’s coach, I can’t see him allowing a return without some pretty stringent expectations.

Reid’s big on communication and trust. What Kareem did went directly against both, the incidents themselves aside. One thing in human history that cannot be foreseen is the unexpected, and human history is replete with examples of the unexpected actually happening. Methinks there’s a lesson in that.

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

There would have to be some serious conditions and some very detailed wording in his contract. I think its more getting Clark on board than Andy though. If Clark said never already, I dont think he’ll back down easily. This is clearly not a Ray Rice level thing but there will still be public outrage should it happen. Time will tell.

KC Dude (A.K.A Zif)

Maybe if he did a well scripted apology tour without looking like he was trying to get back on a team.

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Unlike his poorly timed ESPN interview

Berserker

But….we all know that he is trying to get back on a team. So what does it matter what an apology looks like?

backbone313
backbone313

Pick 1 QB for the next 15 years answers… 😂🤣😂

Mahomes is a system QB
Mahomes is sorrounded by talent
Mahomes has a great Coach
Mahomes couldnt beat out Smith

*note to self, stop reading national Bowl of tweeties comments

All the reasons they commented against Mahomes is why he is the answer.

System QB = 5,000 & 50
Talent = need that to play 15 years
Coach = need that too for 15 years
Smith = know your team Jabroni

System QB – Trubisky stats?
Talent – Watson results?
Coach – Mayfeld for all the talk Mahomes will be figured out in year 2… No one applies that to Mayfeld

Seen: Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Mitch Trubisky, and Carson Wentz love

Stay away from those comments

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

Also to add to your comment:

Peyton Manning – Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders

Tom Brady – Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Troy Brown

Aaron Rodgers – Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Greg Jennings, Jimmy Graham, Lance Kendricks

Drew Brees – Marques Colston, Michael Thomas, Deverey Henderson, Brandin Cooks, Jimmy Graham

It’s not exactly as though any of these guys were surrounded by scrubs. They have all been surrounded by good talent and good coaches. It is what helped them accomplish the things they accomplished.

As for the other charges, there’s no question that Mahomes could easily have started over Smith. He was never given the opportunity to “beat out Smith” because a QB competition wasn’t in the cards. The Coaches CHOSE to keep Mahomes seated for his rookie year. This has been done by coaches for decades.

As for the “system QB” comment….there isn’t a system in the entire NFL that Mahomes couldn’t operate and operate at a high if not elite level.

What you are hearing from people are the rumblings of jealousy.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

IF Andy Reid had not predestined Mahomes to sit his first year, Mahomes would have played.

I was at the 2017 Cincinnati preseason game, and the Bengals fans couldn’t believe how good Mahomes looked.

Mahomes has more talent than any of those guys, idc what anyone says, I’ve been watching QBs since Brady was born.

Tyrone
Tyrone

I’d guess the chance of Kareem ever playing for the Chiefs again is at least 1 in 1000.

chief_curmudgeon
chief_curmudgeon

When someone gives you 10,000 : 1 odds on anything, you take that bet.

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StramtoReid
StramtoReid

I’ll take that bet, if i lose, I’m only out a dollar.

Leaf
Leaf

Hell I’d be willing to be out 10

WTF_Chiefs
WTF_Chiefs

Get best available SS ($/production) a serviceable CB in FA, then get another 3 tech, LB and corner in the draft along with a “jump ball” type recieving option

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

I am guessing that those are the only two hires we are making? Which would give us:

Steve Spagnuolo – DC
Britt Reid – DL Coach
Matt House – LB Coach
David Merritt – DB Coach
Al Harris – Assistant DB Coach

Anyone else? Maybe an Assistant DL and LB coach? Other than that I think we probably have a full staff.

On the other subject….I would be happy to see Hunt back with the Chiefs. Hope we can make it happen but he needs to get his head screwed on straight and understand how fortunate he is and how precious this second chance would be. He also needs to understand that he would be on a VERY short leash and he needs to conduct himself as a professional. Don’t be hanging out with bad influences and people who will invite trouble. Don’t allow yourself to get sucked into stupid situations. Because you are famous and because some know you to be a hot-head you may have idiots call you out from time to time. It’s a trap. Don’t fall for it. Not worth throwing your career away just to show up a few morons. Just walk away.

Team Player
Team Player

Need quality control coaches. Self-scouting is critical – don’t wait for an opposing coach to show you your flaws and keys.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

We have 3 of them I believe.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

indeed

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Good chance we keep Bradden, Valai, & Whittingham then. Or replace one or another with another hungry college coach wanting to move up….

Sauce