Ford Looks to Cash In

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This morning Pro Football Focus detailed who they anticipate to be the 10 highest paid free agents this offseason. Coming in at #3 is the Kansas City Chiefs very own offsides penalty Dee Ford. PFF had the following to say about Ford’s earning potential:

“Given Ford’s career arc, he will be a prime candidate for the franchise tag. That number could be difficult to carry for the Chiefs, who will have around $32 million in cap room if Kansas City wants to be active in free agency. That could help get a deal done earlier in the process. A difficulty for Kansas City is that prior franchise tag players (Justin Houston and Eric Berry) scored big contracts when tagged. Though they had different front office personnel at the time, their valuations last seasons for Sammy Watkins and Anthony Hitchens should have Ford asking for a lot.”

Projection: Five years, $95 million, $55 million GTD

Perhaps I’ll contact PFF and let them know this is in fact the very same front office personnel that penned the Watkins and Hitchens contracts, but the point still stands that Veach gave Ford (and Tyreek Hill) a substantial amount of leverage the moment he made Watkins and Hitchens among the highest paid at their positions. Personally I hope the Chiefs can retain Ford long term, but at that price its not going to happen without restructuring some other contracts, namely Justin Houston’s. If the Chiefs have any concerns about paying Ford, they can still Franchise Tag him and let him play out this season however doing so may lead to the Chiefs having to pay him an even larger contract if he has the proverbial Chiefs Contract Career Year.

If you are sitting in Brett Veach’s chair, what would be your move in regards to Ford?

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Offense of the70s
Offense of the70s

$95 million? That’s a little over the line.
Maybe not WAY over the line for Ford, but just a little. Enough that it really, really matters.

Panzer85
Panzer85

I dunno about this. Will Ford even be alive in five years?? Maybe lower that $ with the incentive that the organization pays for a really good optometrist to help his nearsighted sigmatism.

BigBill
BigBill

Tag the dude, no way that Ford’s worth that kind of money. If he has a year that’s better than this year then consider a three year deal.

Lars
Lars

Let him walk, enough of paying often injured defensive players giant percentages of the salary cap! He can sit in some other teams hot tub for that kind of jack.

KCChef
KCChef

Jack ? … I thought it was “Chedda’ “… I’m Briely confused …

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

I wouldn’t resign Ford. His lack of awareness on the field really bothers me. Yes, I know he had 13 sacks. Yes I know he forced fumbles . I just don’t think a player as limited as Dee Ford is on defense should get a million dollars per sack. I would resign Houston if possible, and spend a Draft pick on an edge rusher who understands what’s going on during a game and who can tackle.

hmills110
hmills110

Hmmm. I’d be tempted to pay a pass rusher $22 million, if I thought he’d be getting 22 or 23 sacks the next season…

Snafu
Snafu

First, I get rid of the damn chair I just shat all over when I heard that number, then I’d think about tagging him, since he probably won’t want a short-term deal. Can’t see Houston being on the team without taking a pay cut.

hmills110
hmills110

Houston may be at a crossroads between full-time DE in Spags’ scheme or in contention with Ford for a Rush Backer spot. I think Ford lining up next to Houston could cause all kinds of problems for an offense, and Chris Jones at LDE with as-yet-undrafted stud DT. Half expect and have to expect that first pick will be in honor of the new DC. I can see DB or DL, either one. Chris Jones could continue that Neil Smith Bookend LDE tradition. I think Jones has many of the same traits, and is better in space. But QBs are more mobile, by and large, so he’s roughly equal for his era. Both very similar in the way they destroy(ed) RTs like it was an avalanche. The thing that people discount about Dee Ford is how regularly he’s able to force an up-tempo throw. Sutton didn’t play to that, enough, imo. You give that guy as many favorable alignments as possible, and operate on the back end in the sure knowledge that the longer the play takes, the worse it’s gonna be for the offense. I feel the same way about Houston, who’s regularly asked to do the job of two men. Sutton gave opponents all the options on how to give Houston extra attention. You’ve got to do more to put those guys in advantageous situations. Bring an extra man on the blitz, rather than expecting miracles from the one guy all day long. Force a quick sack or TFL or force them to go 1-on-1 with your stud. They’re in a pretty good place. I don’t know that they’ll want to pay Bailey what he might get somewhere else, with too high of expectations placed on him in his new digs. I think he’s great to have in the rotation, but I’m not sure Veach will want to pay him his asking price. Anyway, if Houston’s to full-time DE, then they might keep Ford, as well, as a pure OLB. I’m not sure if I’m Houston, whether or not I’d want to be full-time DE. Maybe make the… Read more »

legal_kush
legal_kush

Justin Houston can be cut. Oh, the question was about Ford.
Keep him.

4thQtrMagic
4thQtrMagic

Tag n trade. Get what you can, and get out. Just don’t get caught with your fly undone. Not sure what that implies.

You can’t pay that kind of money to a guy that’s had one healthy season. Look at his effectiveness against Tom Brady. That’s the goal. To beat Tom Brady. Is Ford that piece?

legal_kush
legal_kush

Was Houston?

Tarkus

Was Aaron Donald?

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

I didn’t watch the game, but I thought the Patriots only scored one touchdown on the Rams?

I would say that Defence was worth every penny spent.

Tarkus

Yeah, I didn’t really think that one through. 😉

Leaf
Leaf

Was he offsides?

… Too soon? 🤔

stjoechief

Ideally I would like to get Hill and Jones locked up before having to make a decision on Ford. Unless there was some league rule against it I would have been working on preliminary talks for both of those extensions since December. The timing probably won’t work out, since they would then likely have to restructure Houston and/or Berry to make enough room for a Ford contract, whether long term or tag. So they’ll probably tag Ford, then work on the restructures to create cap room, then do Hill/Jones, and then see what can be done with Ford. I’m probably one of the few who would prefer a medium term (3-4 years) deal if he would take it.

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason

I would like to kwep him but not at that money. Honestly, I’m not sure I’d be in for more than 15/year based on his one healthy season. Even at 15 it would have to be a team favorable 15. I am not a contract guy so I’m not sure I know what that looks like. “Injury prone” is the only leverage the team has now.

Tyrone
Tyrone

I would be shocked if he got that sort of money, or more specifically that length contract.

But I guess Veach has done some pretty crazy things before. I get this is getting to be almost exactly Houston 2.0

Berserker

Except Houston produced quite a bit more than Ford, and sat out injured less, during his rookie contract.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

Houston is a much better player. I feel like it’s insulting to compare Dee Ford to Justin Houston.

Berserker

Yeah, major recency bias.

Tarkus

I won’t be shocked if he gets that sort of money. Unless it’s from the Chiefs.

Berserker

So, Veach was asked about Houston, and he said a lot of things in response, and one of those things was to mention the usual trade talks at the combine.

Of course Veach didn’t directly say he’s looking to trade Houston. Didn’t really connect him and combine trade talks in any direct way. But while rambling in response to a question about Houston, the fact that “trade talks at the combine” is one thought that crossed his mind, I think that means something.

So, I’m pretty sure Ford is back, one way or another. Because barring some spectacular trade fantasy, you just can’t drop both those guys in a single offseason, after the defensive failure we just witnessed, that would be insane. And it seems like Veach’s first plan for Houston is to move him; ergo, Veach’s first plan for Ford must be to keep him. Of course, plans change, but it seems to me that the most likely course has made itself apparent.

BoJest
BoJest

A lot will depend on the new DC and how he would play out in the 4-3. That being said I’d tag and maybe trade. If no trade then let walk next year for a comp pick. There’s just so many huge contracts a team can have and still field a good team across the board. If most all the cap go to a few then there won’t be enough left for the grunts that will keep them from being at the bottom again.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan

Tag and keep or tag and trade. If he is kept let him walk next year for a comp. Don’t be the damn fool who overpays him and then gets burned when he goes back to his old habits of sitting out with “injuries”.

Leaf
Leaf

For that kind of money?

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RamX21
RamX21

My perfect world it’s a tag and trade.

Mattl
Mattl

For me, it all depends on what the trade compensation would be. I think tagging him is likely the best option. If he has a great season, then he was worth the tag money; if he doesn’t play well/gets injured, we limit our exposure to one year. In either case, we can get a comp pick when he signs elsewhere in 2020.

Leaf
Leaf

Knowing he’s likely to get that type of cash, I don’t see teams shelling out a ton for him.

Mattl
Mattl

I’d say that’s pretty likely to be correct. AND if that’s the case, I’d rather pay him for one year and get a 3rd round comp pick in 2021.

On the other hand, with pass rushers at a premium, it could be that a team thinks he’s worth more or he gets bid up due to two+ teams going after him.

RamX21
RamX21

I’d rather trade him for a 3rd to a bad team or a second from a good team than the 3rd comp pick. Gives us the flexibility to plug some holes sooner than later

Mattl
Mattl

It’s a much tougher decision if we’re offered a 2nd. The thing is, it’s hard to walk away from a guy who was among the NFL leaders in QB pressures.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115

Ram is like a sniper: Ram has very few takes, but every shot is right on point.

RamX21
RamX21

Teams that have a boatload of cap would for a pass rusher of that potential. Could get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

Tyrone
Tyrone

If we could tag and trade for a second I think you have to do it. Use the second to draft his replacement. Get 4 cheap years out of the replacement

Stuckinpackland
Stuckinpackland

Walka walka, give that money to jones. Ford is nowhere near big enough to play on the line. I’m tired of watching him get shooed aside when trying to set the edge.

KC Dude (A.K.A Zif)

Tag if restructuring isn’t in the cards for Houston and Berry.

BigBill
BigBill

Not a fan of a restructure with either Berry or Houston. I’d like to get as much money off the books as soon as possible with those two. Never been a fan of kicking the can down the road. Kind of like getting a 30 year mortgage when a 12 year mortgage is doable.

Chickennpickles
Chickennpickles

I agree. We need to get out from under those contracts (especially Berry’s). It’s so frustrating that we’re paying that much for a guy who’s not on the field, when we have only a couple more years with Patrick on the cheap.